Tracking Mean Time To Restore (MTTR) is standard industry practice for incident response and analysis, but should it be?
Courtney Nash, an Internet Incident Librarian, argues that MTTR is not a reliable metric — and we think she’s got a point.
We caught up with Courtney at the DevOps Enterprise Summit in Las Vegas, where she was making her case against MTTR in favor of alternative metrics (SLOs and cost of coordination data), practices (Near Miss analysis), and mindsets (humans are the solution, not the problem) to help organization better learn from their incidents.
Episode Highlights
- (1:54) The end of MTTR?
- (4:50) Library of incidents
- (13:20) What is an incident?
- (19:41) Cost of coordination
- (22:13) Near misses
- (24:21) Mental models
- (28:16) Role of language in shaping public discourse
- (29:33) Learnings from The Void
Episode Excerpt
Dan: Hey, everyone; welcome to Dev Interrupted. My name is Dan lines, and I’m here with Courtney Nash, who has one of the coolest possibly made-up titles, but possibly real: Internet Incident Librarian.
Courtney: Yep, that’s right, yeah, you got it.
Dan: Welcome to the show.
Courtney: Thank you for having me on.
Dan: I love that title
Courtney: Still possibly made up, possibly, possibly…
Dan: Still possibly made up.
Courtney: We’ll just leave that one out there for the listeners to decide.
Dan: Let everyone decide what that could possibly mean. We have a, I think, maybe a spicy show, a spicy topic.
Courtney: It’s a hot topic show.
Dan: Hot topic, especially since we’re at DevOps Enterprise Summit, where we hear a lot about the DORA metrics, one of them being MTTR.
Courtney: Yes.
Dan: And you might have a hot take on that. The end of MTTR? Or how would you describe it?
Courtney: Yeah, I feel a little like the fox in the henhouse here, but Gene accepted the talk. So you know, there’s that.
Dan: So it’s on him.
Courtney: [laughing] It’s all Gene’s fault! So I have been interested in complex systems for a long time; I used to study the brain. And I got sucked down an internet rabbit hole quite a lot quite a while ago. And I’ve had beliefs for a long time that I haven’t had data to back up necessarily. And we see these sort of perverted behaviors, not that kind of perverted, but where we take metrics in the industry, and then with Goddard’s Law, pick whatever you pick up, people incentivize them, and then weird things happen. But I think we spend too little time looking at the humans in the system and a lot of time focusing on the technical aspects and the data that come out of the technical side of systems. So, I started a project about a year ago called The Void. It’s the Verica Open Incident Database, actually a real, not made-up name. And it’s the largest collection of public incident reports. So, if you all have an outage, and you hopefully go and figure out and talk about what happened, and then you write that up, but that’s out in the world, so I’m not writing these, I’m curating them and collecting. I’m a librarian. So, I have about 10,000 of them now. And a bunch of metadata associated with all these incident reports.
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